XM/Sirrius Baseball/Football

[Truth]

Interesting bit from Radio World:
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Sirrius paid $220 MILLION for the satellite radio rights to NFL
games. A source close to the company said its bid for baseball was
significantly lower than XMs.

In a reply to a question about whether it had paid too much for baseball
rights, the XM spokesman pointed out that baseball has more games than
football, played over 7 to 8 months, whereas football is mostly played
on Sundays.

He also pointed to the game's natural pace which allows time for verbal
description.

[Skeeter]

Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
incredible. No one listens to football on radio unless maybe your on duty in
Iraq.

















"Truth" <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting bit from Radio World:
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sirrius paid $220 MILLION for the satellite radio rights to NFL
> games. A source close to the company said its bid for baseball was
> significantly lower than XMs.
>
> In a reply to a question about whether it had paid too much for baseball
> rights, the XM spokesman pointed out that baseball has more games than
> football, played over 7 to 8 months, whereas football is mostly played
> on Sundays.
>
> He also pointed to the game's natural pace which allows time for verbal
> description.
>

[Truth]

> Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
> incredible. No one listens to football on radio

Yes, if it would have worked, why have there never been football broadcasts on
radio before?

Still, Sirius must know something the rest of the world doesn't.

The type of person that is into sports, and has money to spend on satellite
radios, is spending that money on satellite television and big screen TVs to
watch football on. Why sit out in the car and listen to the game on Sirius
when they can watch it on their big screen TVs?

Even baseball will continue to be on regular radio, so XM doesn't get an award
for brains either. Even people with Sirius can tune in the AM band and get
the baseball games. Or better yet, watch them on television.

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <41993BCD.12A82611@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:

> > Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
> > incredible. No one listens to football on radio
>
> Yes, if it would have worked, why have there never been football broadcasts on
> radio before?

What??? For many decades, sports fans have been watching football
with the sound turned down, and the radio turn on so they could get
the home team announcers rather than the New York-based talking heads.
Maybe they don't have football on the radio where you live, but the
Packers, Vikings, and Badgers all have very strong football radio
networks.

-john-

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[John A. Weeks III]

In article <6Hamd.36302$As5.26430@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Skeeter
<S@aol.com> wrote:

> Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
> incredible. No one listens to football on radio unless maybe your on duty in
> Iraq.

Or you are driving home from Church, driving back from Skiing,
driving back from the cabin up north, or otherwise stuck in
the car on Sunday afternoon, evening, or Monday night. Or you
are at work and are allowed a radio, but not a TV. Or your
game is blacked out from TV, and radio is the only option. Or
you like a college team that is on the radio, but not on TV.

There are lots of reasons to listen to football on the radio.
Broadcasters wouldn't carry football if there wasn't an audiance.

-john-

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[Truth]

> > > Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
> > > incredible. No one listens to football on radio
> >
> > Yes, if it would have worked, why have there never been football broadcasts on
> > radio before?
>
> What??? For many decades, sports fans have been watching football
> with the sound turned down, and the radio turn on so they could get
> the home team announcers rather than the New York-based talking heads.

Why? What difference who the announcer is?

> Maybe they don't have football on the radio where you live

Of course not. People here, who are into Football, need to watch it on television
with giant screens for some reason. So if even a regular sized TV is not good
enough for Football, then how would a radio version of it be acceptable to those
people?

> , but the
> Packers, Vikings, and Badgers all have very strong football radio
> networks.

Never heard of them. Will take your word on it.

[Tim]

Or, you're stuck in 9er/Raider HELL and are a NYG fan!
"John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in message
news:151120041828535031%john@johnweeks.com...
> In article <6Hamd.36302$As5.26430@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Skeeter
> <S@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
>> incredible. No one listens to football on radio unless maybe your on duty
>> in
>> Iraq.
>
> Or you are driving home from Church, driving back from Skiing,
> driving back from the cabin up north, or otherwise stuck in
> the car on Sunday afternoon, evening, or Monday night. Or you
> are at work and are allowed a radio, but not a TV. Or your
> game is blacked out from TV, and radio is the only option. Or
> you like a college team that is on the radio, but not on TV.
>
> There are lots of reasons to listen to football on the radio.
> Broadcasters wouldn't carry football if there wasn't an audiance.
>
> -john-
>
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> Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
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[Bob Haberkost]

"Truth" <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message news:41995953.46BA151F@sucks.com...
>> > > Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
>> > > incredible. No one listens to football on radio

>> > Yes, if it would have worked, why have there never been football broadcasts on
>> > radio before?

>> What??? For many decades, sports fans have been watching football
>> with the sound turned down, and the radio turn on so they could get
>> the home team announcers rather than the New York-based talking heads.

> Why? What difference who the announcer is?

If you have to ask, then you've obviously not heard a decent pbp announcer.
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[Boston Blackie]

In article <41993BCD.12A82611@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:


> Yes, if it would have worked, why have there never been football broadcasts
> on
> radio before?

Are you out of your mind? Football's on radio every where you listen.

I know.

I don't care for football but there are many times when the stations I
might listen to are carrying games.

What Sirius is doing is unique: They're providing both home and away
radio coverage for every team playing. Even I can see this is a
milestone in the development of the medium.

[Boston Blackie]

In article <aScmd.6513$063.4920@trndny03>,
"Bob Haberkost" <cbclistener-really!-@canada.com> wrote:

> If you have to ask, then you've obviously not heard a decent pbp announcer.

There's more to it than that. The "home" radio coverage has a lot more
color because the announcing team is more familiar with their home team.
If it were political, you might say the announcers were partisan, but
it's not so you can't.

:{)

[John Matava]

Maybe someone can set me straight. It was 650 mil for 11 years. If I
understand things right, and if there are no additional fees, that's about
60 mil a year. Less than 1/3 the Yankee's payroll. Sounds like a heck of a
deal!!!!!!!

Set me straight if I didn't understand the terms of the agreement. But it
sounds fantastic.

I agree with the last point, radio made baseball popular. Example: A 5-4-3
double play. Clear and concise. The sport was made for radio.

John

"Truth" <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:419928DC.ECC2960A@sucks.com...
> Interesting bit from Radio World:
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sirrius paid $220 MILLION for the satellite radio rights to NFL
> games. A source close to the company said its bid for baseball was
> significantly lower than XMs.
>
> In a reply to a question about whether it had paid too much for baseball
> rights, the XM spokesman pointed out that baseball has more games than
> football, played over 7 to 8 months, whereas football is mostly played
> on Sundays.
>
> He also pointed to the game's natural pace which allows time for verbal
> description.
>

[Truth]

> >> > > Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
> >> > > incredible. No one listens to football on radio
>
> >> > Yes, if it would have worked, why have there never been football broadcasts on
> >> > radio before?
>
> >> What??? For many decades, sports fans have been watching football
> >> with the sound turned down, and the radio turn on so they could get
> >> the home team announcers rather than the New York-based talking heads.
>
> > Why? What difference who the announcer is?
>
> If you have to ask, then you've obviously not heard a decent pbp announcer.

No, I don't listen to sports at all, so you would know better than I. But having
worked in broadcasting and having had to work with a lot of sports announcers, they all
were pretty much the same to me. There is a certain style of talking they use that
is not the same as those reading the weather, news, or doing a commercial, even
announcing the songs and artists. Sports people are a different animal altogether,
but they all sound the same to me.

I have done every other type of announcing there is, but never sports, because I
wouldn't know what the hell is going on in a game, nor would I be as interested or
"excited" as these people are about it.

"OH MY GOD! Number 46 has the ball and is RUNNING WITH IT! HOOOOOLY COW! HE DID
IT HE DID IT HE SCORED!! OH MY GOOOOOOOOD!"

Who cares?

[Truth]

> Are you out of your mind? Football's on radio every where you listen.

I have seen people listening to baseball games on the radio before all my life,
but never once have I seen anyone listening to a Football game on the radio.
Nor have I ever tuned across the dial and heard a Football game, but as the
article said, perhaps that is because Football is only on Sundays. If that is
the case, then no wonder.

But who pays for a service that is only on one day a week for a few hours?

> What Sirius is doing is unique: They're providing both home and away
> radio coverage for every team playing. Even I can see this is a
> milestone in the development of the medium.

I know enough about sports fans to know they only care about the team in their
own geographical location, no matter how good or bad that team is. They don't
care about any of the other teams.

What Sirrius is doing is bad, because just like the weather channels on XM, you
will have about 20 channels any one subscriber will never listen to, because they
would never care about the weather or traffic in the cities they don't live
in. What a waste of bandwidth!

They should leave the local stuff to the land radio stations. The reason I
like satellite radio is I don't like local stuff. When I want news, I only
care about world news, then perhaps national, but I don't care about anything
local, like car accidents or building fires downtown, who cares.

Unless a plane crashes locally, I don't care about local news. If it makes
CNN, then it is a big story, but the reason CNN never carries the local news of
your town, is because no one cares about any of those boring happenings. When
anything exciting happens in your local town, CNN will be there and be covering
it too!

I have a large video screen that gives me weather 24/7, it is called a WINDOW.
My car has one too, and I can SEE the traffic with my own eyes, I don't need to
hear someone give me a play by play of the traffic I am in. And if I am not
on the road, why the hell would I care what the traffic is at all?

The AM stations give traffic every 10 minutes, even at 3AM when there IS NO
traffic.

[Truth]

> > Having any baseball broadcast on the radio anywhere in America is
> > incredible. No one listens to football on radio unless maybe your on duty in
> > Iraq.
>
> Or you are driving home from Church

ROTFFL!! As if a football fan would miss a game by going to church! LOL!

> , driving back from Skiing,
> driving back from the cabin up north, or otherwise stuck in
> the car on Sunday afternoon, evening, or Monday night.

No way. Football fans plan that day out in advance and have all their snacks and
friends over well before the game even starts and have their big screen set all
warmed up and ready.

> Or you
> are at work and are allowed a radio, but not a TV.

Again, with the ridiculous scenarios in order to try to win an argument. Yes,
if you are stranded at the north pole without a TV and all you have is a Sirrius
satellite radio, then it would be very useful to hear football on. As if you
would even care about Football if you were in that situation, you would be worried
about how to get back to civilization.

> Or your
> game is blacked out from TV, and radio is the only option.

LOL! Here come the crazy scenarios! Sirrius is going to sell a lot of
radios to the millions of people with blacked out or broken television sets!

> Or
> you like a college team that is on the radio, but not on TV.

College team?! Who the hell cares about that unless their kid is playing on it?

> There are lots of reasons to listen to football on the radio.

Somehow, not one of those ideas EVER entered my head, or I would be listening
too. In fact, I never found a good enough reason to watch the game of TV either,
so I never have.

[Boston Blackie]

In article <419A2C1E.479BB153@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:

> > Are you out of your mind? Football's on radio every where you listen.
>
> I have seen people listening to baseball games on the radio before all my
> life,
> but never once have I seen anyone listening to a Football game on the radio.
> Nor have I ever tuned across the dial and heard a Football game, but as the
> article said, perhaps that is because Football is only on Sundays. If that
> is
> the case, then no wonder.

College Football is on Saturday. High School football is sometime, I
don't know when. Always remember, just because you've never seen it
doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://ww2.nfl.com/tvradio/


> I know enough about sports fans to know they only care about the team in
> their
> own geographical location, no matter how good or bad that team is. They
> don't
> care about any of the other teams.

Sure. But those teams travel to play against other teams. This way the
fans hear "home" coverage on away games.

[Truth]

> > > Are you out of your mind? Football's on radio every where you listen.
> >
> > I have seen people listening to baseball games on the radio before all my
> > life,
> > but never once have I seen anyone listening to a Football game on the radio.
> > Nor have I ever tuned across the dial and heard a Football game, but as the
> > article said, perhaps that is because Football is only on Sundays. If that
> > is
> > the case, then no wonder.
>
> College Football is on Saturday. High School football is sometime, I
> don't know when. Always remember, just because you've never seen it
> doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Of course. But never ever have seen this ONCE in an entire lifetime, and have
seen tons of people listen to baseball on the radio has to stand for something.

Can most people agree that just because they didn't SEE Bush orchestrate 9/11 and
order a missile into the Pentagon doesn't mean it didn't happen? Of course not.

likewise, just because you have never seen a UFO alien abduction of humans, does it
mean it doesn't happen?

Don't change this into a ridiculous argument, because then I can bring all sorts of
things in to debate those as well.

Point is, I have never in my lifetime ever seen anyone listen to Football on a
radio. Why not just accept that. Perhaps people in your area listen to
football on the radio all the time, doesn't change the facts over here.

> > I know enough about sports fans to know they only care about the team in
> > their
> > own geographical location, no matter how good or bad that team is. They
> > don't
> > care about any of the other teams.
>
> Sure. But those teams travel to play against other teams. This way the
> fans hear "home" coverage on away games.

Not talking about that, their team is still involved in that game! I am
referring to games in which their team is not playing at all.

And I am not even going by my own "opinion" or preference, because I don't listen
to or watch sports at all! I am going by what sports people do, because I have
to listen to them talk about that crap all the time, and all they care about are
the teams of their geographical location even if they lose every game, they remain
fans.

Now if I were into sports, I would not be a fan of a team just because of the
team's geographical location, I would find out which team is best, and be a fan of
that team, even if it was in another state. But logical thinking people don't
get into sports, so it is the other way around.

Likewise, this buy American bullshit doesn't fly with me either. Who ever makes
the better quality product, sells a product to me, no matter which country it is
manufactured in.

The best radio program in my area is not from the local personalities either, it is
syndicated from another state. The station executives say that people won't
listen to someone that is not local, but yet that is exactly what I do, I listen to
what is funny and good, not to what sucks just because it is local.

I guess only people in New York watch Letterman and only people in California watch
Leno.

No, everyone watches the program that is the best, and that would be Conan.

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <419A2D46.AF35E9E0@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:

Mr yenc, I think it is time for you to take another dose of prozac.
You are really off the deep end this time. You just must not get out
much -- no one can be that out of touch on football.

> > , driving back from Skiing,
> > driving back from the cabin up north, or otherwise stuck in
> > the car on Sunday afternoon, evening, or Monday night.
>
> No way. Football fans plan that day out in advance and have all their
> snacks and
> friends over well before the game even starts and have their big screen set
> all
> warmed up and ready.

That isn't true. There are a lot of casual fans out there who have
other things to do, but who do want to keep up the games. Afterall,
folks need something to talk about at work on Monday morning, and
football is one of those universal things that nearly everyone is
familiar with.

> > Or you
> > are at work and are allowed a radio, but not a TV.
>
> Again, with the ridiculous scenarios in order to try to win an argument.

Not ridiculous at all -- nearly every job that I have ever had allowed
radios but either did not allow TV's, or TV's were not practical.

> > Or your
> > game is blacked out from TV, and radio is the only option.
>
> LOL! Here come the crazy scenarios! Sirrius is going to sell a lot of
> radios to the millions of people with blacked out or broken television sets!

You must not know what a black-out is. That is when the home team does
not sell out within a certain time prior to the game, so the game is
not allowed to be on TV in the home area. This likely doesn't happen
in large metro areas, but it is a routine concern in the smaller markets
(except Green Bay, which has a 30 year waiting list for tickets).

> > Or
> > you like a college team that is on the radio, but not on TV.
>
> College team?! Who the hell cares about that unless their kid is playing
> on it?

Apparently you are not away of the NCAA. The Big 10 games routinely
draw 100,000 fans at certain stadiums, and the tickets are often hard
to get. There are so many teams that they cannot put all of them on
TV, especially not the division 2 and smaller teams.

> > There are lots of reasons to listen to football on the radio.
>
> Somehow, not one of those ideas EVER entered my head, or I would be listening
> too. In fact, I never found a good enough reason to watch the game of TV either,
> so I never have.

Just because you don't do it doesn't mean that millions of other folks
don't do it, either. There are a lot of football fans out there, and
Sirius seems to think that they can make a positive impact on their
business by filling this market nitch.

-john-

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[Truth]

> You are really off the deep end this time. You just must not get out
> much -- no one can be that out of touch on football.

I make no statement of being an expert in football or any sport. I never once watched
a football game in my entire life. Sure, I have seen one on in the background at
some store or something, but never sat down and actually paid attention to it.

Watching a bunch of millionaires fighting over a ball and getting upset and beating each
up over just a "game" when they all leave with millions of dollars afterwards and return
to their mansion homes just seems really stupid and a waste of time for me.

Plus, how many times can you watch the same thing over and over again? And who cares
who wins or loses if YOU are not playing?

I can see someone wanting to play a game of checkers, but I can't see anyone watching
two other people play checkers on television or RADIO and then caring one bit which of
the two strangers actually wins the game.

> > No way. Football fans plan that day out in advance and have all their
> > snacks and
> > friends over well before the game even starts and have their big screen set
> > all
> > warmed up and ready.
>
> That isn't true. There are a lot of casual fans out there who have
> other things to do, but who do want to keep up the games.

Fine, I will take your word on it. I can only go by what sports nuts I have come in
contact with that always seem to be exactly as I stated.

> Afterall,
> folks need something to talk about at work on Monday morning, and
> football is one of those universal things that nearly everyone is
> familiar with.

You are right about that. And when the discussion about that comes up at the water
cooler or at lunch, is when I would get back to work and do something productive.

It is one thing to watch a football game, but what is the point of talking about it for
hours after it is over? What kind of life is that? "So and so shouldn't have
fumbled the ball, why didn't he pass the ball to so and so?" Because it happens
real fast and you don't have hours after a game to think about how it could have been
done better?

WHO CARES!! It is just a stupid ball game!

Now if you bet money on it, then I guess you would care, but MOST people talk about the
games with such concern and NEVER bet any money on it!

It would be like going to a horse track, and NOT making any bet, then rooting for a
particular horse and being real upset if it lost, even though you never BET any money!!

Who would do that?

People who watch football and baseball, apparently. Nut cases.

> > > Or you
> > > are at work and are allowed a radio, but not a TV.
> >
> > Again, with the ridiculous scenarios in order to try to win an argument.
>
> Not ridiculous at all -- nearly every job that I have ever had allowed
> radios but either did not allow TV's, or TV's were not practical.

I have never had any job that allowed either, you are there to WORK not watch TV or
listen to the radio. If you are concentrating on a sports game, how can you
concentrate on your work?

> > > Or your
> > > game is blacked out from TV, and radio is the only option.
> >
> > LOL! Here come the crazy scenarios! Sirrius is going to sell a lot of
> > radios to the millions of people with blacked out or broken television sets!
>
> You must not know what a black-out is. That is when the home team does
> not sell out within a certain time prior to the game, so the game is
> not allowed to be on TV in the home area.

Now isn't that ridiculous? Not ALLOWED to be shown in the home area the team is from.

If you don't see how fucked up and retarded the whole thing is, then I don't know what.

The other thing is, why can't they get a time slot that is long enough for their games
so they don't have to interrupt other programming that people want to see?

If the game doesn't fit into two hours, then format for THREE hours, and if the game IS
over in 2 hours, you can play another filler program, but not CANCEL or cut into the
time of the scheduled program AFTER the game!

> This likely doesn't happen
> in large metro areas, but it is a routine concern in the smaller markets
> (except Green Bay, which has a 30 year waiting list for tickets).

I can't tell you how many unused box seat tickets I have for sports games that I would
get from working at stations and never used. Nor could I give them away to anyone I
knew. I save them hoping that one day they may be worth something on Ebay or
something.

30 year waiting list? What is wrong with those people? Don't they know they can
watch it on TV for FREE?

Football usually takes place when it is TOO COLD outside to want to go and watch it
anyway. The one time I was asked if I wanted to go to one, I screamed: "ARE YOU
FUCKING CRAZY?!"

It's bad enough to have to be outside in the cold when you are moving around, but to sit
still and watch something you could watch on TV in a warm house just makes no sense at
all.

> > > Or
> > > you like a college team that is on the radio, but not on TV.
> >
> > College team?! Who the hell cares about that unless their kid is playing
> > on it?
>
> Apparently you are not away of the NCAA. The Big 10 games routinely
> draw 100,000 fans at certain stadiums

And a lot more pay money to see "hip hop" and rap "artists" lip sync over prerecorded
tracks at concert halls.

They are all insane people. The fact that ANYONE voted for Bush at all is the
biggest mystery in the history of the world. Or Kerry!

> > > There are lots of reasons to listen to football on the radio.
> >
> > Somehow, not one of those ideas EVER entered my head, or I would be listening
> > too. In fact, I never found a good enough reason to watch the game of TV either,
> > so I never have.
>
> Just because you don't do it doesn't mean that millions of other folks
> don't do it, either.

Oh I know. I don't listen to rap or eat squid or snails either. I don't peirce my
body and face with all sorts of jewelry, and I don't get tattooed.

Yet millions of people do this and watch sports. Doesn't mean I have to be stupid
too.

> There are a lot of football fans out there, and
> Sirius seems to think that they can make a positive impact on their
> business by filling this market nitch.

That's just it. They though a LOT of things and consistently fail. So the idea of
paying that much money to broadcast something everyone can watch for free anyway is also
not a very smart business move. Wanting to broadcast in 5.1 makes me laugh even
harder!

Everything they do makes me laugh at how they can be so stupid.

The best, is the fact they are so far behind XM, yet are trying to compete by charging a
HIGHER subscription fee being so far behind!!

Do they HAVE brains in their heads?

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <419A597E.44756BF0@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:

> > You are really off the deep end this time. You just must not get out
> > much -- no one can be that out of touch on football.
>
> I make no statement of being an expert in football or any sport. I never
> once watched
> a football game in my entire life. Sure, I have seen one on in the
> background at
> some store or something, but never sat down and actually paid attention to it.

That should make you the least qualified person in America to comment
on the subject.

> WHO CARES!! It is just a stupid ball game!

Nearly everyone else but you.

-john-

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[lab~rat]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:51:37 -0600, "John A. Weeks III"
<john@johnweeks.com> puked:

>> WHO CARES!! It is just a stupid ball game!
>
>Nearly everyone else but you.

I'm another on the 'who cares' side...

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The less you care, the more it doesn't matter.

[Truth]

> > > You are really off the deep end this time. You just must not get out
> > > much -- no one can be that out of touch on football.
> >
> > I make no statement of being an expert in football or any sport. I never
> > once watched
> > a football game in my entire life. Sure, I have seen one on in the
> > background at
> > some store or something, but never sat down and actually paid attention to it.
>
> That should make you the least qualified person in America to comment
> on the subject.

Ok, I'll agree with that. Now, make sure you say the same to everyone else that
tries to argue with me about radio or broadcasting, that never worked in the
industry and somehow seem to think they know more than I do on that subject.

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <419A7CEC.3D3A6EE9@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:

> Ok, I'll agree with that. Now, make sure you say the same to everyone
> else that
> tries to argue with me about radio or broadcasting, that never worked in the
> industry and somehow seem to think they know more than I do on that subject.

I don't think you have any radio or braodcasting experience. I have,
and I know the industry. I know that you don't have a clue about
how radio waves work, anything about propagation, and despite radio
waves being measured in meters, you didn't know about the metric
system. I have the degrees, FCC license, and experience to back up
my positions. What do you have? Have you ever seen a transmitter
or even know what a broadcast booth looks like?

-john-

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[Truth]

> > Ok, I'll agree with that. Now, make sure you say the same to everyone
> > else that
> > tries to argue with me about radio or broadcasting, that never worked in the
> > industry and somehow seem to think they know more than I do on that subject.
>
> I don't think you have any radio or braodcasting experience.

What you think, does not change reality in any way. This just goes to show that
what you thought was once again wrong.

> I have,
> and I know the industry. I know that you don't have a clue about
> how radio waves work, anything about propagation

You couldn't possibly KNOW that, because that is not true. You are wrong once
again.

> , and despite radio
> waves being measured in meters, you didn't know about the metric
> system.

I didn't? Everyone knows about that. Even a school child.

> I have the degrees, FCC license

Only one?

> , and experience to back up
> my positions. What do you have?

Everything you do and a lot more.

> Have you ever seen a transmitter
> or even know what a broadcast booth looks like?

Why not read some of my other previous posts and find out.

Aren't you the guy that promised to put me in his kill file? Didn't get around
to that yet?

[D Ray]

>
> There are lots of reasons to listen to football on the radio.
> Broadcasters wouldn't carry football if there wasn't an audiance.
>

A lot of the stations carrying home games are having a difficult time
making money on them. The rights have been expensive and the main
revenue source is the advertising on the programming before and after
the game.

Sirius does have a problem with NFL, though -- because it just doesn't
appear to be bringing the subscribers they needed to make it pay.

I'm not a football fan, but was at one time. And we routinely
listened to the game on the radio while watching it on TV, just as
mentioned on this thread. But you can't do that with Sirius due to
the delay. Locals who want to listen to local announcers will get it
from FM.

The basic problem with NFL on SDARS, however, is that the target
market is AVID out-of-market fans. Almost by definition, an "AVID"
fan is one who is so fanatic about their football that they are likely
to (a) want to see it on TV and (b) willing to spring for the Sunday
Ticket. Further, they are going to structure their Sundays around
gametime. Right, some can't -- and they'll buy Sirius. That's a
fairly limited market.

MLB, by comparison, is inherently more listenable (and many people
will PREFER to listen to the game while doing other things). In
addition, games tend to occur at times when watching is impractical.

The MLB deal just made one hell of a lot more sense than did the NFL
deal. XM had been negotiating for a long time (not merely a month or
two) to make the deal happen, and did so because they realized that
MLB was the biggest sports content prize.

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <419A9C68.F024DBA@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:

> > I have,
> > and I know the industry. I know that you don't have a clue about
> > how radio waves work, anything about propagation
>
> You couldn't possibly KNOW that, because that is not true. You are wrong
> once
> again.

In a previous posting, you tried to explain how radio waves go
everywhere, and that was an advantage for XM. Your description
was creative and unique, but totally wrong.

> > , and despite radio
> > waves being measured in meters, you didn't know about the metric
> > system.
>
> I didn't? Everyone knows about that. Even a school child.

Yes, you very publically flubbed up a reply to someone else's
posting where they measured distance in kilometers, which is
standard when talking about scientific topics.

> > I have the degrees, FCC license
>
> Only one?

What else do you need besides a General Radiotelephone license?
That is the top license that the FCC offers (or did offer).

> > , and experience to back up
> > my positions. What do you have?
>
> Everything you do and a lot more.
>
> > Have you ever seen a transmitter
> > or even know what a broadcast booth looks like?
>
> Why not read some of my other previous posts and find out.

Everything that you write is so bizarre and funky that there is
no way that you can have any real world experience. You keep
posting wierd and silly stuff that is exactly the opposite from
reality. The only radio that you could possibly have experience
with is a 49-MHz baby monitor, and you were the sending end.

> Aren't you the guy that promised to put me in his kill file?
> Didn't get around to that yet?

Again, you didn't read what I wrote. I said I was putting you
on probation, and was going to wait and see if your posting
improved any. This stuff gets archived on Google Groups, so
I cannot believe that you want a permanent record of how off
the wall you are and how little you know about the industry.
I would think that if you really are connected with radio in some
manner that you would want your postings to improve for this
reason.

-john-

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[Truth]

> > > I have,
> > > and I know the industry. I know that you don't have a clue about
> > > how radio waves work, anything about propagation
> >
> > You couldn't possibly KNOW that, because that is not true. You are wrong
> > once
> > again.
>
> In a previous posting, you tried to explain how radio waves go
> everywhere, and that was an advantage for XM.

How would that not also be an advantage for Sirrius?

Don't put ridiculous words and statements in my mouth, it is very unsanitary.

> > > I have the degrees, FCC license
> >
> > Only one?
>
> What else do you need besides a General Radiotelephone license?

If you get that one, might as well get the Ham Extra license too, since the exact
same questions are on both exams.

> > Aren't you the guy that promised to put me in his kill file?
> > Didn't get around to that yet?
>
> Again, you didn't read what I wrote. I said I was putting you
> on probation, and was going to wait and see if your posting
> improved any.

Seems to me you don't think it has, so how about keeping your promise?

Are you really trying to get out of it now? You LOVE reading all my posts and
replying to them all, don't you! ADMIT IT! Else keep your promise and put
me in your killfile.

Or are you saying that my posting has improved?

KEEP YOUR WORD! Or no one will ever respect anything you say again!

[Truth]

> > There are lots of reasons to listen to football on the radio.
> > Broadcasters wouldn't carry football if there wasn't an audiance.
>
> A lot of the stations carrying home games are having a difficult time
> making money on them.

Gee, what a surprise. You mean sports morons are not a lucrative
audience? Not smart enough to buy computers or new cars? Only those
rust buckets with all the sports bumper stickers all over them?

> Sirius does have a problem with NFL, though -- because it just doesn't
> appear to be bringing the subscribers they needed to make it pay.

And neither is Stern. They are screwed big time.

> I'm not a football fan, but was at one time. And we routinely
> listened to the game on the radio while watching it on TV, just as
> mentioned on this thread. But you can't do that with Sirius due to
> the delay.

DOH! Those poor stupid bastards! They never thought about that, did
they?

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <419AB4BC.137D9599@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:

> > > > I have the degrees, FCC license
> > >
> > > Only one?
> >
> > What else do you need besides a General Radiotelephone license?
>
> If you get that one, might as well get the Ham Extra license too, since the
> exact
> same questions are on both exams.

Again, your ignorance is showing. You are confusing the general
class ham license with the general class radiotelephone license.
Ham only allows you to talk to other ham operators, and many classes
of ham require one to pass a code test. Radiotelephone is for
professional and commercial radio systems, including broadcast
and television. It is an order of magnitude beyond a ham license
(not that there is anything wrong with amature radio).

-john-

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[yqf@my-deja.com]

Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message news:<419A7CEC.3D3A6EE9@sucks.com>...
> > That should make you the least qualified person in America to comment
> > on the subject.
>
> Ok, I'll agree with that. Now, make sure you say the same to everyone else that
> tries to argue with me about radio or broadcasting, that never worked in the
> industry and somehow seem to think they know more than I do on that subject.

But almost everything you claim to know about the subject is laughably
wrong. For instance:


You thought that the XM satellites were in orbit over the United
States... they aren't... only the Sirius satellites are.

You thought that XM has better coverage when traveling in Canada... it
doesn't, Sirius does because one ore more of it's satellites ARE
actually over the US and Canada at all times.

You thought that the relative price of the XM and Sirius stock could
be used to judge which company was worth more... it can't. As someone
pointed out to your really really really really fucking dumb ass, if
that was true, the fact that Microsoft stock is at 27 and XM is at 36,
would mean that that XM was worth more than Microsoft by your really
dumb logic.

You tried to claim that Sirius began service before XM... it didn't.
XM began offering their service almost a year before Sirius.

You think that it's inevitable that one of the two incompatible
satellite radio systems fail with your really dumb VHS/Beta
analogies.... it's not inevitable or even likely. By your dumb logic
we would be looking for Dish Network or DirecTV to go out of business
and become the "Betamax" of satellite TV.


That small sample of your massive ignorance is just off the top of my
head. I'm sure that you have made many more dumb statements about XM
and Sirius. It's clear that you really don't know much about the
subject that you pretend to be an expert in.

[KK]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:16:52 -0600, John A. Weeks III wrote:

> Again, your ignorance is showing

The guy is a troll. Every time you respond to him, every one of us who's
killfiled him gets to read his post anyway.

My advice is not to feed him.

[lab~rat]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:53:52 -0600, "John A. Weeks III"
<john@johnweeks.com> puked:

> The only radio that you could possibly have experience
>with is a 49-MHz baby monitor, and you were the sending end.

LOL

--
lab~rat >:-)
The less you care, the more it doesn't matter.

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <pan.2004.11.17.13.52.43.261591@furburger.net>, KK
<remove_KK_@furburger.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:16:52 -0600, John A. Weeks III wrote:
>
> > Again, your ignorance is showing
>
> The guy is a troll. Every time you respond to him, every one of us who's
> killfiled him gets to read his post anyway.

I thought he was just kind of ignorant, but I am starting to
agree that he is a troll. In looking at some of his other posts
in Google Groups, it appears that he simply posts the exact opposite
of what someone says just to provoke a response. He apparently
gets his jollies this way.

-john-

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[Truth]

> > > > > I have the degrees, FCC license
> > > >
> > > > Only one?
> > >
> > > What else do you need besides a General Radiotelephone license?
> >
> > If you get that one, might as well get the Ham Extra license too, since the
> > exact
> > same questions are on both exams.
>
> Again, your ignorance is showing. You are confusing the general
> class ham license with the general class radiotelephone license.

No, YOUR ignorance is showing. Not the GENERAL class, but the EXTRA class
license. The multiple choice questions were EXACTLY the same on most of the
questions on BOTH exams, because borrowed from the question pool of the other.
But see, YOU did not know that, and do NOT know as much as I do.

> Ham only allows you to talk to other ham operators, and many classes
> of ham require one to pass a code test. Radiotelephone is for
> professional and commercial radio systems, including broadcast
> and television.

I have BOTH licenses, so I know a lot more about this than YOU who claim to only
have ONE, and I doubt you even have that one.

Tell me what you THINK your GROL gives you the right to do, in regards to
broadcasting, the answer you give should be very interesting.