Very cool

[Ben Hogland]

Great to see this NG on my server now! It's about time we have a
satellite radio NG!

Thanks!

Ben

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[Ruger]

Yes, the NG just showed up on my server and I was happy to see it. I have
XM and am very happy with it. I am not sure why some here are saying the
sound in "like a cell phone". I originally put my Pioneer receiver in a
Samurai with a Jensen radio, and it sounded as good as it could with the
setup. I now have a Toyota truck now and the sound is really great through
the stock Toyota radio system. I picked XM because I liked the talk radio
channels available including old time and sonic theater. They just keep
adding great new channels. I could care less about the "premium" stuff -
paying to hear someone talk dirty doesn't impress me much. The MyFi sounds
great, but I will wait and see how it works before shelling out $350.
Hope the group does well.

Ruger

"Ben Hogland" <benhogland@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Great to see this NG on my server now! It's about time we have a
> satellite radio NG!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
>
> --
> Home Page: www.rvlover.net
>
>

[Truth]

> Yes, the NG just showed up on my server and I was happy to see it. I have
> XM and am very happy with it. I am not sure why some here are saying the
> sound in "like a cell phone"

Depends what channel you are listening to. Compare, for instance, the XM
COMEDY Channel to the LAUGH USA channel. Both carry voice comedy
programming. XM COMEDY sounds acceptable, but LAUGH USA sounds like it is
coming over a digital cell phone. Most of the talk channels sound bad like
this, the music channels don't have that digital cell phone sound. The
weather channels are the worst. The Old Time Radio channel is really bad
too. And it is NOT because it is old time radio! The modern day XM
promos on that same channel sound JUST AS BAD. Thus, it is the channel.
Besides, the digital distortion could not possibly be from old time radio, as
they didn't have digital technology back in those days, it is all being added
today via the poor digital encoding.

I don't understand why all the talk channels can't have the same quality and
bandwidth as XM COMEDY has.

Just as many talk radio hosts hang up on callers that call into shows from
digital cell phones because the audio is so poor and hard to understand, the
talk show HOSTS now sound like THEY are on digital cell phones on many XM and
Sirrius talk channels.

> . I originally put my Pioneer receiver in a
> Samurai with a Jensen radio, and it sounded as good as it could with the
> setup.

Because you are used the quality of radios like Pioneer and Jensen and who
knows what type of speakers yet too.

If you had a good Denon radio or good set of speakers and were used to how good
audio can sound, then you would not be happy with the quality of XM or Sirrius,
even on the music channels.

Many of my friends used to have $99 CD stereos in their cars with poor speakers
and I would always tell them that the CASSETTE player I had in my car sounds
100 times better than their CD player. They would laugh until I played the
same albums that they had on CD that I transferred to cassette and played for
them in my car and they couldn't believe it.

It's not that cassette is so much better sounding than CD, but that my $400
cassette system was a lot better than their $99 CD system and my speakers were
much better too.

In fact, when a friend of mine first showed me his Roady2 and demoed it for me
in his car, I couldn't tell if XM sounded that bad, or if it was because of his
stereo system, so I had to tune it in on my car stereo (since his Roady2 was
transmitting on an FM frequency) and then I could judge the audio quality on my
own system so I could tell how good the audio was.

It sounded a lot better in my car, but still not as good as FM.

If you can download MP3 songs from the internet, burn them to CD, and find
those to sound good to you on your stereo, then of course you will think that
XM sounds great too.

> I now have a Toyota truck now and the sound is really great through
> the stock Toyota radio system.

No it isn't. Even though stock radio systems are 10 times better than they
were years ago, they still don't come close to the quality of a good system.

When I got a new car, I was used to the good system I had in my old car, and
the stock radio in the new car sounded like CRAP in comparison. But a friend
that I gave a ride to, complimented on how "good" the stock radio sounded.
Just goes to show you what some people think is "good" when they are used to
crap.

> I picked XM because I liked the talk radio
> channels available including old time and sonic theater.

The old time radio channel has horrible audio. If they played the same old
time radio shows on the Sonic Theater channel, they would sound 100 times
better. Note how bad all the XM commercials sound on the old time radio
channel too, that channel is horrible audio quality.

> They just keep
> adding great new channels. I could care less about the "premium" stuff -
> paying to hear someone talk dirty doesn't impress me much.

XM COMEDY has the dirty comedians without the premium fee, plus they interrupt
the channel on weekends to play Opie and Anthony anyway, so no need to pay for
the Opie and Anthony channel, you can get it for free on XM COMEDY, which I
wish they would stop, since I hate them. Howard Stern I like. But he
changed his mind and is now going with Sirrus instead of his original decision
to go on XM. XM putting O&A on is what pissed him off and made him change
his mind.

> The MyFi sounds
> great, but I will wait and see how it works before shelling out $350.

Never buy a first generation of anything. Wait at least for the MyFi2.

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <41956B1A.867A524B@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:

> > Yes, the NG just showed up on my server and I was happy to see it. I have
> > XM and am very happy with it. I am not sure why some here are saying the
> > sound in "like a cell phone"

> I don't understand why all the talk channels can't have the same quality and
> bandwidth as XM COMEDY has.

The comedy channel is likely being programmed at the studio site for
XM (and as an analog, at Sirius), so they have audio quality lines
all the way to the uplink. The talk shows are likely being produced
in other cities, and are being fed to XM (or Sirius) over satellite
hops or 56KB phone lines. All this extra handling, up and down links,
and recording/playback all add noise. In addition, the talk shows
do not need the bandwidth of a music stream, so they compress them
heavily and give them very little bandwidth in the digital stream.

-john-

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[Ruger]

I will agree with you on the quality of the old time channel, it is not very
good. The only complaint I have about the other talk channels (including
Fox News) is the same I have for commercial radio. I don't know why the
gain is so much higher during advertising or fill music. Back in the good
old days I DJ'd at a radio station and we had a piece of equipment called a
compressor (if I remember correctly) that automatically increased or
compressed the gain so that output remained about the same even if the input
was variable. Maybe they don't use them anymore.

"Truth" <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:41956B1A.867A524B@sucks.com...
>> Yes, the NG just showed up on my server and I was happy to see it. I
>> have
>> XM and am very happy with it. I am not sure why some here are saying the
>> sound in "like a cell phone"
>
> Depends what channel you are listening to. Compare, for instance, the
> XM
> COMEDY Channel to the LAUGH USA channel. Both carry voice comedy
> programming. XM COMEDY sounds acceptable, but LAUGH USA sounds like it
> is
> coming over a digital cell phone. Most of the talk channels sound bad
> like
> this, the music channels don't have that digital cell phone sound.
> The
> weather channels are the worst. The Old Time Radio channel is really
> bad
> too. And it is NOT because it is old time radio! The modern day XM
> promos on that same channel sound JUST AS BAD. Thus, it is the channel.
> Besides, the digital distortion could not possibly be from old time radio,
> as
> they didn't have digital technology back in those days, it is all being
> added
> today via the poor digital encoding.

I haven't listened to the comedy channels, sounds like that is a good thing.

> I don't understand why all the talk channels can't have the same quality
> and
> bandwidth as XM COMEDY has.
>
> Just as many talk radio hosts hang up on callers that call into shows from
> digital cell phones because the audio is so poor and hard to understand,
> the
> talk show HOSTS now sound like THEY are on digital cell phones on many XM
> and
> Sirrius talk channels.
>
>> . I originally put my Pioneer receiver in a
>> Samurai with a Jensen radio, and it sounded as good as it could with the
>> setup.
>
> Because you are used the quality of radios like Pioneer and Jensen and who
> knows what type of speakers yet too.

The Jensen wasn't that good and the Sony speakers were OK, but the car was
so noisy I had to add a 250 watt amp just to have enough power when doing 70
down the road. The Pioneer XM receiver seems to be good if a little dated.
It hooks directly into the radio so you don't get the loss of the cassette
adapter. I will hand it to Pioneer, they expected everyone to have a
stretched limo because they give you enough cable for a car about 20 feet
long.

>
> If you had a good Denon radio or good set of speakers and were used to how
> good
> audio can sound, then you would not be happy with the quality of XM or
> Sirrius,
> even on the music channels.

True, but I don't want to pull out the radio on my '04 truck just yet. When
it gets a little older I'll think about putting something better in. By
then who knows where satallite radio will be.

>
> Many of my friends used to have $99 CD stereos in their cars with poor
> speakers
> and I would always tell them that the CASSETTE player I had in my car
> sounds
> 100 times better than their CD player. They would laugh until I played
> the
> same albums that they had on CD that I transferred to cassette and played
> for
> them in my car and they couldn't believe it.
>
> It's not that cassette is so much better sounding than CD, but that my
> $400
> cassette system was a lot better than their $99 CD system and my speakers
> were
> much better too.
>
> In fact, when a friend of mine first showed me his Roady2 and demoed it
> for me
> in his car, I couldn't tell if XM sounded that bad, or if it was because
> of his
> stereo system, so I had to tune it in on my car stereo (since his Roady2
> was
> transmitting on an FM frequency) and then I could judge the audio quality
> on my
> own system so I could tell how good the audio was.
>
> It sounded a lot better in my car, but still not as good as FM.
>
> If you can download MP3 songs from the internet, burn them to CD, and find
> those to sound good to you on your stereo, then of course you will think
> that
> XM sounds great too.
>
>> I now have a Toyota truck now and the sound is really great through
>> the stock Toyota radio system.
>
> No it isn't. Even though stock radio systems are 10 times better than
> they
> were years ago, they still don't come close to the quality of a good
> system.
>
> When I got a new car, I was used to the good system I had in my old car,
> and
> the stock radio in the new car sounded like CRAP in comparison. But a
> friend
> that I gave a ride to, complimented on how "good" the stock radio sounded.
> Just goes to show you what some people think is "good" when they are used
> to
> crap.

Well my neighbors kid is into auto sound systems. He just spent another $1K
upgrading his system. He wanted to see my new truck and he even commented
on how good the radio sounded. He thought I got something special - I told
him it was just the stock system. It doesn't come close to his, but then it
doesn't come close to the cost either.

>> I picked XM because I liked the talk radio
>> channels available including old time and sonic theater.
>
> The old time radio channel has horrible audio. If they played the same
> old
> time radio shows on the Sonic Theater channel, they would sound 100 times
> better. Note how bad all the XM commercials sound on the old time
> radio
> channel too, that channel is horrible audio quality.

I did notice that channel wan't the best, but didn't connect it with
bandwidth. Hummm, wonder why. Maybe that isn't one of the popular
channels.

>
>> They just keep
>> adding great new channels. I could care less about the "premium" stuff -
>> paying to hear someone talk dirty doesn't impress me much.
>
> XM COMEDY has the dirty comedians without the premium fee, plus they
> interrupt
> the channel on weekends to play Opie and Anthony anyway, so no need to pay
> for
> the Opie and Anthony channel, you can get it for free on XM COMEDY, which
> I
> wish they would stop, since I hate them. Howard Stern I like. But he
> changed his mind and is now going with Sirrus instead of his original
> decision
> to go on XM. XM putting O&A on is what pissed him off and made him
> change
> his mind.

I have never listened to Opie and Anthony so I'll take your word for their
quality and just skip them alltogether.

>
>> The MyFi sounds
>> great, but I will wait and see how it works before shelling out $350.
>
> Never buy a first generation of anything. Wait at least for the MyFi2.
>

[Mark S.]

"Ruger" <ruger@mailblocks.com> wrote in message
news:Iggld.28398$Qv5.24084@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> I will agree with you on the quality of the old time channel, it is not
very
> good. The only complaint I have about the other talk channels (including
> Fox News) is the same I have for commercial radio. I don't know why the
> gain is so much higher during advertising or fill music. Back in the good
> old days I DJ'd at a radio station and we had a piece of equipment called
a
> compressor (if I remember correctly) that automatically increased or
> compressed the gain so that output remained about the same even if the
input
> was variable. Maybe they don't use them anymore.

Yes, they still use compressors and they are annoying as hell. They're
digital now and you can screw with a lot of settings on them so you can make
your station blare even more. I'd imagine some classical music stations
wouldn't use compressors as this would really ruin the volume diversity in
the music. Compressors increase the audibility of a transmitter in
fringe/weak signal areas, at the cost of audio quality to those in good
signal areas.

[Truth]

> > I don't understand why all the talk channels can't have the same quality and
> > bandwidth as XM COMEDY has.
>
> The comedy channel is likely being programmed at the studio site for
> XM (and as an analog, at Sirius), so they have audio quality lines
> all the way to the uplink. The talk shows are likely being produced
> in other cities, and are being fed to XM (or Sirius) over satellite
> hops or 56KB phone lines. All this extra handling, up and down links,
> and recording/playback all add noise. In addition, the talk shows
> do not need the bandwidth of a music stream, so they compress them
> heavily and give them very little bandwidth in the digital stream.

All you just wrote had nothing to do with the argument at all. The prerecorded
comedy bits played on LAUGH USA go through all of the same that the prerecorded
comedy bits that are played on XM COMEDY, thus why it is such a perfect example.

XM COMEDY sounds good, LAUGH USA sounds like crap.

ANOTHER great example is that Dr Demento, again from the same exact source at XM,
when played through LAUGH USA sounds like crap, but when played on DEEP TRACKS
sounds ok.

So forget all about what you just said. It has to do with XM and Sirrius
CHOOSING to make some channels deliberately sound like crap to save bandwidth.

But why ONE Comedy channel they decide should sound good and one bad, when it is
the same program content of spoken comedy, is the puzzling question. Make them
BOTH sound good.

[Truth]

> I will agree with you on the quality of the old time channel, it is not very
> good. The only complaint I have about the other talk channels (including
> Fox News) is the same I have for commercial radio. I don't know why the
> gain is so much higher during advertising or fill music.

Because they are not using limiters and auto level processing like radio
stations do.

One song is loud, the next is quiet, even on the comedy channel, one comedian
after the next you have to keep changing the volume all the time it is
ridiculous. If they would just install some limiters and AGCs like broadcast
stations do, you wouldn't have this problem.

Even on channels that remain digital from program content to transmitter, can be
limited and gain adjusted digitally as well.

> Back in the good
> old days I DJ'd at a radio station and we had a piece of equipment called a
> compressor (if I remember correctly) that automatically increased or
> compressed the gain so that output remained about the same even if the input
> was variable. Maybe they don't use them anymore.

Satellite radio isn't using them, and they should.

> > Because you are used the quality of radios like Pioneer and Jensen and who
> > knows what type of speakers yet too.
>
> The Jensen wasn't that good and the Sony speakers were OK, but the car was
> so noisy I had to add a 250 watt amp just to have enough power when doing 70
> down the road.

Instead of wasting money on the amp, you should have spent it on a good
radio. The amp is just going to amplify the poor audio from the Jensen and
make the poor quality louder so you can hear better how bad it is.

Get a Denon, and NO AMP and you will have loud clean sound that will blow away
what you have, even with the extra amp. (Of course, get some good speakers
too, speakers are the most important part of any sound system.)

> The Pioneer XM receiver seems to be good if a little dated.

Another problem. The audio from XM has been slightly improved, but you need
one of the newer radios in order to get the better audio, the older units can't
do it.

For instance, the new Roady2 and SkiFi2 have better audio quality than the Roady
and SkiFi do.

> It hooks directly into the radio so you don't get the loss of the cassette
> adapter.

But you can get better audio on a good stereo system using the cassette adapter
than you can get on a Kraco or poor system that has a direct aux input.

Like the example of my $600 cassette stereo in the 80s that blew away everyone's
$100 CD stereos.

I can show you AM tuners that sound better than FM tuners of other brands.
Doesn't mean AM sounds better than FM, just means the FM tuner I am comparing
with is a real crap radio that only cost $5 new, and the AM receiver cost
hundreds.

> True, but I don't want to pull out the radio on my '04 truck just yet. When
> it gets a little older I'll think about putting something better in. By
> then who knows where satallite radio will be.

I am doing the same thing.

> Well my neighbors kid is into auto sound systems. He just spent another $1K
> upgrading his system.

And I would bet you I could put in a system for half the money that would sound
ten times better. I always have in the past. I compare what friends pay,
then make they cry when they hear my system kill theirs and cost half the price
and many times even less than half.

> He wanted to see my new truck and he even commented
> on how good the radio sounded. He thought I got something special - I told
> him it was just the stock system.

Shows you he is just a kid into big names and expensive over better. If he
spent a grand to get sound close to a stock system in your truck, he is a young
fool that will hopefully learn something from this.

A lot of people are impressed by the name Bose. One of the worst things you
can buy is something with the Bose name on it.

A Bose Wave Radio costs around $300. A Boston Receptor or Tivoli Model One
cost around $100 and are night and day better than the Bose, and much cheaper
and smaller too.

> >> I picked XM because I liked the talk radio
> >> channels available including old time and sonic theater.
> >
> > The old time radio channel has horrible audio. If they played the same
> > old
> > time radio shows on the Sonic Theater channel, they would sound 100 times
> > better. Note how bad all the XM commercials sound on the old time
> > radio
> > channel too, that channel is horrible audio quality.
>
> I did notice that channel wan't the best, but didn't connect it with
> bandwidth. Hummm, wonder why. Maybe that isn't one of the popular
> channels.

This is most likely why... People have this theory that "old time radio"
"sounds bad anyway" so we don't need that much bandwidth for it. Wrong.
Even old Edison Cylinder records are going to sound better if played on XM
COMEDY channel than if the same exact recording is played on the OLDTIMERADIO
channel.

> >> They just keep
> >> adding great new channels. I could care less about the "premium" stuff -
> >> paying to hear someone talk dirty doesn't impress me much.
> >
> > XM COMEDY has the dirty comedians without the premium fee, plus they
> > interrupt
> > the channel on weekends to play Opie and Anthony anyway, so no need to pay
> > for
> > the Opie and Anthony channel, you can get it for free on XM COMEDY, which
> > I
> > wish they would stop, since I hate them. Howard Stern I like. But he
> > changed his mind and is now going with Sirrus instead of his original
> > decision
> > to go on XM. XM putting O&A on is what pissed him off and made him
> > change
> > his mind.
>
> I have never listened to Opie and Anthony so I'll take your word for their
> quality and just skip them alltogether.

If you have ever listened to a high school radio station on the low end of the
FM band, this is exactly what O&A sound like, only without the music.

Listen on the weekends to XM COMEDY, because they usually interrupt the channel
to play O&A shows for some stupid reason. Perhaps no one is paying for the
premium channel so they feel they should force it on people who listen to other
channels.

[Truth]

> Yes, they still use compressors and they are annoying as hell.

It is the LACK of compressors that every other thing on these channels is not
the same volume and you have to keep adjusting the volume control constantly.

> They're
> digital now and you can screw with a lot of settings on them so you can make
> your station blare even more. I'd imagine some classical music stations
> wouldn't use compressors as this would really ruin the volume diversity in
> the music.

All stations use some sort of processing. You have to. For protection to
insure you don't overmodulate and stay within good limits.

> Compressors increase the audibility of a transmitter in
> fringe/weak signal areas

Louder modulation increases coverage for AM, not for FM. While overmodulating
the carrier on AM will get you heard a lot farther, on FM it just causes
distortion and interference to other stations on channels next to them.

> , at the cost of audio quality to those in good
> signal areas.

Good processing is necessary on all stations. Especially since those
operating the board never learn to watch the meters on the console no matter how
many times you yell at them.

[Mark S.]

"Truth" <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:41967DB3.8D95CCBF@sucks.com...
> > Yes, they still use compressors and they are annoying as hell.
>
> It is the LACK of compressors that every other thing on these channels is
not
> the same volume and you have to keep adjusting the volume control
constantly.

I'll never have to worry about that since most FM station are
overcompressed!

> > They're
> > digital now and you can screw with a lot of settings on them so you can
make
> > your station blare even more. I'd imagine some classical music stations
> > wouldn't use compressors as this would really ruin the volume diversity
in
> > the music.
>
> All stations use some sort of processing. You have to. For protection
to
> insure you don't overmodulate and stay within good limits.

I have no problem with protection against overmodulation/overdeviation.
It's when stations compress everything to be just under the red line at all
times that drives me nuts. I have VU meters in my car stereo and it's
amazing to see the difference between satellite radio and FM.

> > Compressors increase the audibility of a transmitter in
> > fringe/weak signal areas
>
> Louder modulation increases coverage for AM, not for FM. While
overmodulating
> the carrier on AM will get you heard a lot farther, on FM it just causes
> distortion and interference to other stations on channels next to them.

Compression increases range for FM because if too much of the audio is at a
low level, the white noise will overcome it. The chances of white noise
overcoming a nearly continuously fully modulated signal are less than that
of the chances of white noise coming overtop of something lightly modulated
or sounds quiet. Which is easier to hear when conditions on FM are
staticky? Someone whispering or someone talking loudly but not overdriving
the mic? Overmodulating on AM distorts the signal and it becomes more
broadbanded. The FCC will fine your station if you go over modulation
limits x amount of times in a month.

> > , at the cost of audio quality to those in good
> > signal areas.
>
> Good processing is necessary on all stations. Especially since those
> operating the board never learn to watch the meters on the console no
matter how
> many times you yell at them.

Good processing and constant high levels of compression are two different
things. DJ's got it way too easy these days with touch screen DAD32's
playing and mixing everything for them. No more running for carts, leveling
things up in the cue, cueing up LP's, no more tape splicing. All these
modern conveniences are making DJ's stupid.

[Ruger]

"Truth" <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:41967C8E.BEF012A8@sucks.com...
>> I will agree with you on the quality of the old time channel, it is not
>> very
(snip)
> Instead of wasting money on the amp, you should have spent it on a good
> radio. The amp is just going to amplify the poor audio from the Jensen
> and
> make the poor quality louder so you can hear better how bad it is.
>
> Get a Denon, and NO AMP and you will have loud clean sound that will blow
> away
> what you have, even with the extra amp. (Of course, get some good
> speakers
> too, speakers are the most important part of any sound system.)

Which Denon would you recommend? Do they have different models to fit
different vehicles or do you just have get some sort of adaptor?

Thanks



(snip)

[Truth]

> > > Yes, they still use compressors and they are annoying as hell.
> >
> > It is the LACK of compressors that every other thing on these channels is
> not
> > the same volume and you have to keep adjusting the volume control
> constantly.
>
> I'll never have to worry about that since most FM station are
> overcompressed!

We are all conditioned to say that is a bad thing, yet now listening to
satellite radio without the compressing and level control, I sure really really
miss the heavy compression!

In fact, when I record programs from XM, I have to add a lot of limiting and
compression to get it listenable again before I save the file.

> > > They're
> > > digital now and you can screw with a lot of settings on them so you can
> make
> > > your station blare even more. I'd imagine some classical music stations
> > > wouldn't use compressors as this would really ruin the volume diversity
> in
> > > the music.
> >
> > All stations use some sort of processing. You have to. For protection
> to
> > insure you don't overmodulate and stay within good limits.
>
> I have no problem with protection against overmodulation/overdeviation.
> It's when stations compress everything to be just under the red line at all
> times that drives me nuts.

I don't listen to rap or Clear Channel.

> I have VU meters in my car stereo and it's
> amazing to see the difference between satellite radio and FM.

Of course, because satellite doesn't use any, that that is wrong at the other
extreme from what you are comparing on the FM with the rap or Clear Channel
stations.

Clear Channel now wants all AM stations to narrow their bandwidth even
further. One giant step back for mankind.

> > > Compressors increase the audibility of a transmitter in
> > > fringe/weak signal areas
> >
> > Louder modulation increases coverage for AM, not for FM. While
> overmodulating
> > the carrier on AM will get you heard a lot farther, on FM it just causes
> > distortion and interference to other stations on channels next to them.
>
> Compression increases range for FM because if too much of the audio is at a
> low level, the white noise will overcome it.

No, just put your radio into mono. No more white noise. In fact, because
so many people don't know how to do this, I would usually turn off the stereo
pilot on FM stations when broadcasting content that didn't really need to be in
stereo to get rid of the white noise for people in fringe areas that didn't know
how to do it themselves.

> broadbanded. The FCC will fine your station if you go over modulation
> limits x amount of times in a month.

AM stations do peak over 100% legally. The FCC does not fine any stations
anymore unless they have broadcast something that is not politically favorable
to the government. Stations don't even give legal ID on the hour anymore, and
nothing is done about it.

> > > , at the cost of audio quality to those in good
> > > signal areas.
> >
> > Good processing is necessary on all stations. Especially since those
> > operating the board never learn to watch the meters on the console no
> matter how
> > many times you yell at them.
>
> Good processing and constant high levels of compression are two different
> things. DJ's got it way too easy these days with touch screen DAD32's
> playing and mixing everything for them. No more running for carts, leveling
> things up in the cue, cueing up LP's, no more tape splicing. All these
> modern conveniences are making DJ's stupid.

They don't even have to know how to put the EBS system through the board, the
EAS now automatically cuts off the board and routes itself directly to the
transmitter so that all your songs and programming can be interrupted by
constant robotic alerts everytime it rains in your area.

First they did away with the licenses, all you need was to sign a card and send
it in for the FCC to rubber stamp and send back and that was your permit, now
you don't even need that. No more transmitter readings, no more program
logs. In fact, no more people at all at many stations.

[Truth]

> Which Denon would you recommend? Do they have different models to fit
> different vehicles or do you just have get some sort of adaptor?

Haven't shopped around for one in years, but anything with the Denon name on it
is great, except for some of their DVD players, because they don't make DVD
players, they just put their name on them.