Love Satellite - but I live in Canada...

[dlloyd9999]

Love the concept, but my car had all the satellite goodies ripped out 'cause
it was sold to me in canada (damn cadillac). There's no way to get the
components added back it that I know of, and the thought of hanging a
receiver onto the dash looking silly is not appealing either!!!. So I am
toast - Unless anyone can recommend someone in Ontario who can help me out.

Doug

[Bob Haberkost]

"dlloyd9999" <dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com...
> Love the concept, but my car had all the satellite goodies ripped out 'cause it was
> sold to me in canada (damn cadillac). There's no way to get the components added
> back it that I know of, and the thought of hanging a receiver onto the dash looking
> silly is not appealing either!!!. So I am toast - Unless anyone can recommend
> someone in Ontario who can help me out.

Wait a few months, and you'll be able to subscribe to, it appears, Sirius in Canada,
if I read the CRTC proceedings correctly. Once licenced, it's expected that the
service will be up by spring.
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[Mark S.]

"dlloyd9999" <dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Love the concept, but my car had all the satellite goodies ripped out
> 'cause it was sold to me in canada (damn cadillac). There's no way to get
> the components added back it that I know of, and the thought of hanging a
> receiver onto the dash looking silly is not appealing either!!!.

Have you considered buying an aftermarket head unit for your car? If you
buy a satellite radio ready head unit, you can add on the accompanying tuner
and antenna, and you can use the car stereo's controls and display instead
of having a big ol' ugly PnP messing up your caddy's dash. For Sirius
ready, look at Sanyo, Alpine (using a Sirius connect tuner), Kenwood,
Panasonic or Clarion. For XM, look at Alpine, Pioneer or Sony. Some
Kenwoods can work on XM with the XM Direct tuner. Although if you got a
brand new Cadillac, you probably got one of those Bose systems with GPS
navigation and you might not want to replace it. You can buy an XM Direct
tuner designed to hook up to the factory radio in those 2003-2005 model year
Cadillacs at www.xmfanstore.com. They will ship to Canada and they mark
gift on the package from what I understand. It will cost you $300 US plus
shipping ($7).

[Mark S.]

"Bob Haberkost" <cbclistener-really!-@canada.com> wrote in message
news:CZwjd.1503$6I1.316@trndny05...
>
> "dlloyd9999" <dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com...
>> Love the concept, but my car had all the satellite goodies ripped out
>> 'cause it was sold to me in canada (damn cadillac). There's no way to get
>> the components added back it that I know of, and the thought of hanging a
>> receiver onto the dash looking silly is not appealing either!!!. So I am
>> toast - Unless anyone can recommend someone in Ontario who can help me
>> out.
>
> Wait a few months, and you'll be able to subscribe to, it appears, Sirius
> in Canada, if I read the CRTC proceedings correctly. Once licenced, it's
> expected that the service will be up by spring.

Both Sirius and XM applied for licences, along with CHUM who is proposing a
terrestrial based digital subscription radio service. They are trying to
persuade the CRTC to not approve either satellite service. We shall see.

[dlloyd9999]

Aha! Sounds good...

Except I am a total newbie... What is a head unit? I have a 2002 DTS without
the whiz-bang GPS thingie... Just a Delco/bose unit.
So a satellite ready head unit is something which hides in the trunk and
somehow connects to the radio unit and will allow me to hit the "pty"
button, or the "band" button and suddenly get my satellite tunes through my
(admittedly nice) speakers. Or so I assume.? Where would one source such a
device and how would one go about installing them?

Sorry for the incessant questions!

Cheers

Doug

"Mark S." <vo1one@gee-mail.com> wrote in message
news:cmm70g$qb5$1@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
> "dlloyd9999" <dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com...
>> Love the concept, but my car had all the satellite goodies ripped out
>> 'cause it was sold to me in canada (damn cadillac). There's no way to get
>> the components added back it that I know of, and the thought of hanging a
>> receiver onto the dash looking silly is not appealing either!!!.
>
> Have you considered buying an aftermarket head unit for your car? If you
> buy a satellite radio ready head unit, you can add on the accompanying
> tuner and antenna, and you can use the car stereo's controls and display
> instead of having a big ol' ugly PnP messing up your caddy's dash. For
> Sirius ready, look at Sanyo, Alpine (using a Sirius connect tuner),
> Kenwood, Panasonic or Clarion. For XM, look at Alpine, Pioneer or Sony.
> Some Kenwoods can work on XM with the XM Direct tuner. Although if you
> got a brand new Cadillac, you probably got one of those Bose systems with
> GPS navigation and you might not want to replace it. You can buy an XM
> Direct tuner designed to hook up to the factory radio in those 2003-2005
> model year Cadillacs at www.xmfanstore.com. They will ship to Canada and
> they mark gift on the package from what I understand. It will cost you
> $300 US plus shipping ($7).
>
>

[bugman]

In article <Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com>, dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk
says...
> Love the concept, but my car had all the satellite goodies ripped out 'cause
> it was sold to me in canada (damn cadillac). There's no way to get the
> components added back it that I know of, and the thought of hanging a
> receiver onto the dash looking silly is not appealing either!!!. So I am
> toast - Unless anyone can recommend someone in Ontario who can help me out.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
Sirius already works in most (if not all) of lower Canada. You do not
have to wait for Sirius Canada, but you might have to drive South. Go
over the border to a best buy and they can give you the particulars of
what you need for you car. It's pretty easy to install a unit in a car
or home. If you get one of the plug and plays with an auto install, you
can just purchase an additional hookup for the home. Best Buy now sells
Sirius prepaid cards so you do not have to worry about a billing address
in Canada. Its a good time to do it, lots of promotions.

[bugman]

In article <MPG.1bf9512d9e08605498968b@news.giganews.com>,
bugmanPANTS@optonline.net says...
> In article <Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com>, dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk
> says...
> > Love the concept, but my car had all the satellite goodies ripped out 'cause
> > it was sold to me in canada (damn cadillac). There's no way to get the
> > components added back it that I know of, and the thought of hanging a
> > receiver onto the dash looking silly is not appealing either!!!. So I am
> > toast - Unless anyone can recommend someone in Ontario who can help me out.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> Sirius already works in most (if not all) of lower Canada. You do not
> have to wait for Sirius Canada, but you might have to drive South. Go
> over the border to a best buy and they can give you the particulars of
> what you need for you car. It's pretty easy to install a unit in a car
> or home. If you get one of the plug and plays with an auto install, you
> can just purchase an additional hookup for the home. Best Buy now sells
> Sirius prepaid cards so you do not have to worry about a billing address
> in Canada. Its a good time to do it, lots of promotions.
>
Let me amend that, when you call to activate, they will ask you for an
address. make one up or use 1500 Pennsylvania Ave Wash DC :-)

[Mark S.]

> Except I am a total newbie... What is a head unit?

A head unit is a car stereo receiver. You can go to future shop and they'll
sell and install you one which is satellite radio ready. The actual
satellite tuner you'd have to get from the states via eBay or wherever else.

> I have a 2002 DTS without the whiz-bang GPS thingie... Just a Delco/bose
> unit.
> So a satellite ready head unit is something which hides in the trunk and
> somehow connects to the radio unit and will allow me to hit the "pty"
> button, or the "band" button and suddenly get my satellite tunes through
> my (admittedly nice) speakers. Or so I assume.? Where would one source
> such a device and how would one go about installing them?

Well no. A head unit (car stereo) would completely replace the Bose system
you have in there now. The XM Direct unit I cited in my last post from
XMFanStore.com is basically what you are describing here. It's a box which
will wire up to your existing factory Bose system and allow you to use the
buttons on the car stereo system you already have (pty/band I'm not sure
which). The package they are selling there should be everything you need.
You could install it yourself, although I've never tried it personally so
I'm not sure how hard it is. Maybe a local car installation place would do
it for you. I'd say the big chains like Future Shop would be less apt to do
something like this, where a small local place would tend to be more handy
and less worried about how they'd ring it up on their computer.

> Sorry for the incessant questions!

Not a problem, that's what the group is here for! :)

Regards,
Mark

[Bob Haberkost]

"bugman" <bugmanPANTS@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bf952399d2bc7e898968c@news.giganews.com...
> In article <MPG.1bf9512d9e08605498968b@news.giganews.com>,
> bugmanPANTS@optonline.net says...
>> In article <Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com>, dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk
>> says...

>> Sirius already works in most (if not all) of lower Canada. You do not
>> have to wait for Sirius Canada, but you might have to drive South. Go
>> over the border to a best buy and they can give you the particulars of
>> what you need for you car. It's pretty easy to install a unit in a car
>> or home. If you get one of the plug and plays with an auto install, you
>> can just purchase an additional hookup for the home. Best Buy now sells
>> Sirius prepaid cards so you do not have to worry about a billing address
>> in Canada. Its a good time to do it, lots of promotions.

> Let me amend that, when you call to activate, they will ask you for an
> address. make one up or use 1500 Pennsylvania Ave Wash DC :-)

Again, my advice still holds. WAIT for a couple of months, and in all likelihood,
you'll be able to get Sirius in Canada for the announced cost of $12.95CDN/mo. Only
if the loonie goes par to the dollar would this be an even deal...until then, you'll
be ahead, and you don't have to go making up addresses (which, by the way, will make
it difficult for Sirius to send you new program cards and the like). On top of that,
you'll be cheating Canadian talent and copyright owners by diverting the fees to the
U-S operation.

Advocating a grey market solution, when it's the only solution, might be good advice,
but going grey is much more inconvenient than using the legitimate means, which as I
said is probably only months away.
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[Mark S.]

"Bob Haberkost" <cbclistener-really!-@canada.com> wrote in message
news:ChVjd.77$8N4.67@trndny09...
>
> "bugman" <bugmanPANTS@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1bf952399d2bc7e898968c@news.giganews.com...
>> In article <MPG.1bf9512d9e08605498968b@news.giganews.com>,
>> bugmanPANTS@optonline.net says...
>>> In article <Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com>, dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk
>>> says...
>
>>> Sirius already works in most (if not all) of lower Canada. You do not
>>> have to wait for Sirius Canada, but you might have to drive South. Go
>>> over the border to a best buy and they can give you the particulars of
>>> what you need for you car. It's pretty easy to install a unit in a car
>>> or home. If you get one of the plug and plays with an auto install, you
>>> can just purchase an additional hookup for the home. Best Buy now sells
>>> Sirius prepaid cards so you do not have to worry about a billing address
>>> in Canada. Its a good time to do it, lots of promotions.
>
>> Let me amend that, when you call to activate, they will ask you for an
>> address. make one up or use 1500 Pennsylvania Ave Wash DC :-)
>
> Again, my advice still holds. WAIT for a couple of months, and in all
> likelihood, you'll be able to get Sirius in Canada for the announced cost
> of $12.95CDN/mo. Only if the loonie goes par to the dollar would this be
> an even deal...

Well you'd better hope that they don't charge HST or GST/PST on that. 15%
is around what the exchange is these days anyways! ;-) If you pick an
address in the right state, like Kentucky or Montana for example, there is
no tax. Plus I'd imagine you'd be able to switch to the Canadian equivalent
service if you so desired later once it launches. No word of what channels
the CRTC will not approve or will get axed on the Canadian versions. No
word of whether Howard Stern will be on the Canadian version or not yet.

> until then, you'll be ahead, and you don't have to go making up addresses
> (which, by the way, will make it difficult for Sirius to send you new
> program cards and the like).

So what? He obviously has internet access as he's posting here so you can
download all the channel cards you want on their website. I've printed a
couple out myself but besides looking at the logos, I can't say I've
actually used it for anything.

> On top of that, you'll be cheating Canadian talent and copyright owners by
> diverting the fees to the U-S operation.

The Canadian talent and copyright owners when played still get their money
whether a US subscriber is listening to them or a Canadian subscriber.

> Advocating a grey market solution, when it's the only solution, might be
> good advice, but going grey is much more inconvenient than using the
> legitimate means, which as I said is probably only months away.

There are no legitimate means at this time. When they come about then they
can still be considered. I pay month by month and if I find it to be
advantageous to switch at the time the Canadian equivalent comes around then
I will do so. If the channels or price are different then I won't change.
Months away is time he could be enjoying satellite radio already. We all
know how expedient our government is; months away is a pipe dream.

[Bob Haberkost]

"Mark S." <vo1one@gee-mail.com> wrote in message
news:cmpcg9$ppj$1@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
> "Bob Haberkost" <cbclistener-really!-@canada.com> wrote in message
> news:ChVjd.77$8N4.67@trndny09...
>>
>> "bugman" <bugmanPANTS@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1bf952399d2bc7e898968c@news.giganews.com...
>>> In article <MPG.1bf9512d9e08605498968b@news.giganews.com>,
>>> bugmanPANTS@optonline.net says...
>>>> In article <Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com>, dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk
>>>> says...
>>
>>>> Sirius already works in most (if not all) of lower Canada. You do not
>>>> have to wait for Sirius Canada, but you might have to drive South. Go
>>>> over the border to a best buy and they can give you the particulars of
>>>> what you need for you car. It's pretty easy to install a unit in a car
>>>> or home. If you get one of the plug and plays with an auto install, you
>>>> can just purchase an additional hookup for the home. Best Buy now sells
>>>> Sirius prepaid cards so you do not have to worry about a billing address
>>>> in Canada. Its a good time to do it, lots of promotions.
>>
>>> Let me amend that, when you call to activate, they will ask you for an
>>> address. make one up or use 1500 Pennsylvania Ave Wash DC :-)
>>
>> Again, my advice still holds. WAIT for a couple of months, and in all likelihood,
>> you'll be able to get Sirius in Canada for the announced cost of $12.95CDN/mo.
>> Only if the loonie goes par to the dollar would this be an even deal...
>
> Well you'd better hope that they don't charge HST or GST/PST on that. 15% is
> around what the exchange is these days anyways! ;-) If you pick an address in the
> right state, like Kentucky or Montana for example, there is no tax. Plus I'd
> imagine you'd be able to switch to the Canadian equivalent service if you so
> desired later once it launches. No word of what channels the CRTC will not approve
> or will get axed on the Canadian versions. No word of whether Howard Stern will be
> on the Canadian version or not yet.

Every indication I can see is that the channels on the U-S service will also be
available on the Canadian service, i.e., it'll be the same. If this were not the
case, then why would the proposal note that Sirius Canada will have that CanCon
coordinator to tweak the existing U-S channels to spotlight Canadian talent, and why
does the proposal note with some pride that the new Canadian services will have as
wide a presence on the U-S service as on the Canadian? Bottom line....it's because
the same programming will be available in both countries, because the receiver
doesn't have the ability to address and enable individual channels...otherwise, don't
you think there would be premium services now?

>> until then, you'll be ahead, and you don't have to go making up addresses (which,
>> by the way, will make it difficult for Sirius to send you new program cards and
>> the like).
>
> So what? He obviously has internet access as he's posting here so you can download
> all the channel cards you want on their website. I've printed a couple out myself
> but besides looking at the logos, I can't say I've actually used it for anything.

I did say "and the like". Program cards aren't what I had in mind as much as the
first welcome packet, which contains access to the web-based music channels and other
data. Further, as Sirius sends this packet as a means of determining if the
subscriber's address is for real, if it's returned the grey market subscriber may
find that the receiver has been disabled, awaiting further contact.

>> Advocating a grey market solution, when it's the only solution, might be good
>> advice, but going grey is much more inconvenient than using the legitimate means,
>> which as I said is probably only months away.

> There are no legitimate means at this time. When they come about then they can
> still be considered. I pay month by month and if I find it to be advantageous to
> switch at the time the Canadian equivalent comes around then I will do so. If the
> channels or price are different then I won't change. Months away is time he could
> be enjoying satellite radio already. We all know how expedient our government is;
> months away is a pipe dream.

Four months (the CRTC has said that they want to move forward on this quickly, with
the expectation that the service could be up as soon as spring) is a very short time
to wait. Pipe dream or not, the convenience of being able to deal directly with the
provider, rather than having to resort to subterfuge to get customer service, in my
mind makes the wait all the more worthwhile.
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[Mark S.]

"Bob Haberkost" <cbclistener-really!-@canada.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark S." <vo1one@gee-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:cmpcg9$ppj$1@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
>> "Bob Haberkost" <cbclistener-really!-@canada.com> wrote in message
>> news:ChVjd.77$8N4.67@trndny09...
>>>
>>> "bugman" <bugmanPANTS@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.1bf952399d2bc7e898968c@news.giganews.com...
>>>> In article <MPG.1bf9512d9e08605498968b@news.giganews.com>,
>>>> bugmanPANTS@optonline.net says...
>>>>> In article <Nc2dnYLS9YcRGxPcRVn-tw@rogers.com>,
>>>>> dlloyd99999@yahoo.co.uk
>>>>> says...
>>>
>>>>> Sirius already works in most (if not all) of lower Canada. You do not
>>>>> have to wait for Sirius Canada, but you might have to drive South. Go
>>>>> over the border to a best buy and they can give you the particulars of
>>>>> what you need for you car. It's pretty easy to install a unit in a car
>>>>> or home. If you get one of the plug and plays with an auto install,
>>>>> you
>>>>> can just purchase an additional hookup for the home. Best Buy now
>>>>> sells
>>>>> Sirius prepaid cards so you do not have to worry about a billing
>>>>> address
>>>>> in Canada. Its a good time to do it, lots of promotions.
>>>
>>>> Let me amend that, when you call to activate, they will ask you for an
>>>> address. make one up or use 1500 Pennsylvania Ave Wash DC :-)
>>>
>>> Again, my advice still holds. WAIT for a couple of months, and in all
>>> likelihood, you'll be able to get Sirius in Canada for the announced
>>> cost of $12.95CDN/mo. Only if the loonie goes par to the dollar would
>>> this be an even deal...
>>
>> Well you'd better hope that they don't charge HST or GST/PST on that.
>> 15% is around what the exchange is these days anyways! ;-) If you pick
>> an address in the right state, like Kentucky or Montana for example,
>> there is no tax. Plus I'd imagine you'd be able to switch to the
>> Canadian equivalent service if you so desired later once it launches. No
>> word of what channels the CRTC will not approve or will get axed on the
>> Canadian versions. No word of whether Howard Stern will be on the
>> Canadian version or not yet.
>
> Every indication I can see is that the channels on the U-S service will
> also be available on the Canadian service, i.e., it'll be the same. If
> this were not the case, then why would the proposal note that Sirius
> Canada will have that CanCon coordinator to tweak the existing U-S
> channels to spotlight Canadian talent, and why does the proposal note with
> some pride that the new Canadian services will have as wide a presence on
> the U-S service as on the Canadian? Bottom line....it's because the same
> programming will be available in both countries, because the receiver
> doesn't have the ability to address and enable individual
> channels...otherwise, don't you think there would be premium services now?

Just because channels are being tweaked doesn't mean ALL of the channels
will be available. The CRTC can base their approval upon the removal of
some talk channels, like Howard Stern. Sirius does not have premium
services because their school of thought is different than XM's, not because
it is not technically possible. Sirius absolutely has the ability to lock
out specific channels. I have 3 examples for you. Before subscribing, all
channels but the preview channel are locked out. When they were running
test channels for CES, they would show up on the display but with the Sirius
toll free number to activate on the screen, effectively locked out. Sirius
can lock out channels which have obscene language to users upon request.
Sirius even said in their filings before the hearings began that they had
this ability so that if their approval was contingent upon some channels
being removed just for Canada then it could be accomplished. The new
Canadian channels are also being broadcast to the US because it is
advantageous to the music industry in Canada, thus advantageous to the CRTC,
to have the added exposure to subscribers in the states.

>>> until then, you'll be ahead, and you don't have to go making up
>>> addresses (which, by the way, will make it difficult for Sirius to send
>>> you new program cards and the like).
>>
>> So what? He obviously has internet access as he's posting here so you
>> can download all the channel cards you want on their website. I've
>> printed a couple out myself but besides looking at the logos, I can't say
>> I've actually used it for anything.
>
> I did say "and the like". Program cards aren't what I had in mind as much
> as the first welcome packet, which contains access to the web-based music
> channels and other data. Further, as Sirius sends this packet as a means
> of determining if the subscriber's address is for real, if it's returned
> the grey market subscriber may find that the receiver has been disabled,
> awaiting further contact

Most subscribers, even in the states, never do receive their online
streaming password. Regardless, you can call and get it over the phone (as
I did) or email them and they'll get you one out right away. What is this
"other data" you speak of? I have never, ever heard of someone getting
their receiver disabled for using a fake address and having snail mail
bounce. Can you show me some instances of this? There's addresses you can
pick where the mail will not get returned. Give the address as the address
for a post office, use your name and put "General Delivery" in the first
address line before the post office's address. If you call the post office
after 6 months, they can destroy any mail which has accumulated for you upon
request.

>>> Advocating a grey market solution, when it's the only solution, might be
>>> good advice, but going grey is much more inconvenient than using the
>>> legitimate means, which as I said is probably only months away.
>
>> There are no legitimate means at this time. When they come about then
>> they can still be considered. I pay month by month and if I find it to
>> be advantageous to switch at the time the Canadian equivalent comes
>> around then I will do so. If the channels or price are different then I
>> won't change. Months away is time he could be enjoying satellite radio
>> already. We all know how expedient our government is; months away is a
>> pipe dream.
>
> Four months (the CRTC has said that they want to move forward on this
> quickly, with the expectation that the service could be up as soon as
> spring) is a very short time to wait. Pipe dream or not, the convenience
> of being able to deal directly with the provider, rather than having to
> resort to subterfuge to get customer service, in my mind makes the wait
> all the more worthwhile.

Convenience of being able to deal directly with the provider? The 800
number works fine here, so does the email. How much more convenient do you
want it to be in touch with customer service? Have fun waiting half a year
or more while the rest of us enjoy satellite radio to the fullest!

[Bob Haberkost]

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> "Bob Haberkost" <cbclistener-really!-@canada.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Mark S." <vo1one@gee-mail.com> wrote in message
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> Convenience of being able to deal directly with the provider? The 800 number works
> fine here, so does the email. How much more convenient do you want it to be in
> touch with customer service? Have fun waiting half a year or more while the rest
> of us enjoy satellite radio to the fullest!

Oh, god...I should have known better than to have engaged a zealot.

It's still only radio, and American radio at that. I can wait.
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[Mark S.]

> "Bob Haberkost" <cbclistener-really!-@canada.com> wrote in message
> news:aaYjd.252$uT1.44@trndny03...
>> "Mark S." <vo1one@gee-mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:cmpifa$rjd$1@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
>> Convenience of being able to deal directly with the provider? The 800
>> number works fine here, so does the email. How much more convenient do
>> you want it to be in touch with customer service? Have fun waiting half
>> a year or more while the rest of us enjoy satellite radio to the fullest!
>
> Oh, god...I should have known better than to have engaged a zealot.
>
> It's still only radio, and American radio at that. I can wait.

The fact is, most who have satellite radio really enjoy it and enjoy it a
lot. I don't think that makes me overzealous about it. I do think that
you've run out of viable reasons to support your argument ;-) Hey, if my
local FM radio had 100 stations without commercials and all sorts of
different types of music and could broadcast over the whole continent, I'd
probably stick with it, but there's no such thing. It may be American, but
there is no Canadian equivalent and never will be, just a couple of American
satellite services injected with a handful of Canadian programmed stations,
of which half will be in French which I do not hold any great interest in.
Get CHUM to launch some satellites and maybe I'll subscribe to them, but I
know if they did decide to do this it would be at least 2012 before anyone
could subscribe. You can wait. Wait for the licences to go through. Wait
for stores to actually get in the stock you want. Wait and see how much
it's going to cost than tack on HST or GST/PST. Wait and see what channels
you're really going to get when you pay with the loonie instead of the
greenback. I don't see any detriment to not waiting; in fact I see possible
advantages but I can see your mind's made up.